Individual and Social Ethics

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Misers, whose absorption in means is pathological, are generally recognized to be unwise, but minor forms of the same malady are apt to receive undue commendation.  Without some consciousness of ends, life becomes dismal and colorless; ultimately the need for excitement too often finds a worse outlet than it would otherwise have done, in war or cruelty or intrigue or some other destructive activity.

Men who boast of being what is called "practical" are for the most part exclusively preoccupied with means.  But theirs is only one-half of wisdom.  When we take account of the other half, which is concerned with ends, the economic process and the whole of human life take on an entirely new aspect.  We ask no longer: what have the producers produced, and what has consumption enabled the consumers in their turn to produce?  We ask instead: what has there been in the lives of consumers and producers to make them glad to be alive?  What have they felt or known or done that could justify their creation?  Have they experienced the glory of new knowledge?  Have they known love and friendship?  Have they rejoiced in sunshine and the spring and the smell of flowers?  Have they felt the joy of life that simple communities express in dance and song?

Once in Los Angeles I was taken to see the Mexican colony - idle vagabonds, I was told, but to me they seemed to be enjoying more of what makes life a boon and not a curse than fell to the lot of my anxious hard-working hosts. When I tried to explain this feeling, however, I was met with a blank and total lack of comprehension.

People do not always remember that politics, economics, and social organization generally, belong in the realm of means, not ends. Our political and social thinking is prone to what may be called the "administrator's fallacy," by which I mean the habit of looking upon a society as a systematic whole, of a sort that is thought good if it is pleasant to contemplate as a model of order, a planned organism with parts neatly dovetailed into each other. But a society does not, or at least should not, exist to satisfy an external survey, but to bring a good life to the individuals who compose it. It is in the individuals, not in the whole, that ultimate value is to be sought. A good society is a means to a good life for those who compose it, not something having a separate kind of excellence on its own account.

--Bertrand Russell, in "Authority and the Individual"

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CT
Mar 26, 2011
What an incredible discussion here! I have had many experiences involving "light" and I can attest to being quite imbalanced. (Thank you for not using the word "crazy.") I never asked for these experiences; they came unbidden. However, they have kept me searching for the Light outside of the Darkness I have all too often found myself in; a darkness of the mind.   I am so glad you are posting these discussions for all of us who can't be there... they are *almost* as good as the real thing. I feel that I am being given a chance to learn from many different viewpoints, all from the comfort - or distance - of my home. Gracias amigos; bendiciones. Little by little Grace will come.   "The winds of grace blow all the time. All we need do is set our sails." Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ~ Gospel of Ramakrishna... View full comment
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sajeesh K P
Mar 24, 2011

This is pretty intresting and thoughful.Thanks

AX
Jan 8, 2011

Like I have been learning.... Life is a gift and the best thanks we can give is to enjoy the gift.

CT
Jan 6, 2011

Bertrand Russell wrote: "Once in Los Angeles I was taken to see the Mexican colony - idle vagabonds, I was told, but to me they seemed to be enjoying more of what makes life a boon and not a curse than fell to the lot of my anxious hard-working hosts. When I tried to explain this feeling, however, I was met with a blank and total lack of comprehension."

I have worked with Latinos for almost 20 years, and this happens to me all the time. That's why I finally moved to Guatemala where I am learning to live a life in patience, and in prayer. I am there part time but look forward to when it's more full-time. For now, I am a "monk in a monastery" while I'm there and it's making all the difference in the world.

In America, I learned how to make money. In France, I learned how to live. In Central America, I am learning how to pray.

PA
Jan 5, 2011
Many thanks for your kind message brother Sanjeev. As you will see soon, I'm only a fierce mirror reflecting the light of the universe. What you are seeing/reading is no other thing but you ;-) This is my job: to live in radical joyous shared servanthood, and the way that I do it, is through finding the incredible inspiration inside each one of us. When the time comes, I'd be delighted to attend to the Wednesdays hosted by you so that we can connect further at the SOULlular level. Certainly, I promise to be an attentive guest _listener_ ;-)    As a matter of fact, I got so inspired by hermano Hari's profound messages that poetry flowed through me, two poems out of two messages! I see it as another evidence of being a fierce mirror: depending of the paradigm, a mirror tries to mimic, reflect, copy or collaborate with the image in front of it. So, this is the collaborative poem co-created by this space (astronomical thank yous hermano Hari!):   In an Instant Time i... View full comment
HD
Jan 3, 2011
Dear Friends  I just found your forum.  I must first say Thank You to All for your very kind reception on Wed. Dec. 22, 2010  and ask your kind permission to say a few additional words in your forum.                                                                                                                      I very much enjoy your spirited dialog.                                                       ... View full comment
JB
Dec 28, 2010

Just posting my thanks to those who maintain this site. I find a lot of the readings rather gushing, nebulous, interchangeable and waffly, but every so often there is something that catches something important and describes it with a rare clarity. 

SV
Dec 25, 2010
 Pancho, Thanks for summarizing your thoughts so nicely. Probably you should become our guest speaker in one of our wednesday meditation. I liked the way you presented your thoughts. The true spirituality is about connecting with one self--meditation helps us in this process. You have summarized it so nicely: "May all become compassionate,courageous and wise" True spirituality is about becoming compassionate, truthful and honest human being--in fact we can add a lot to this long list of virtues. Also I agree that Nature is our great Guru--the keen observation of nature with meditative mind has led to lot of discoveries in physical and spiritual sciences.  You then mentioned that Conscience is our Guru-Meditation helps us in this process--when we sit quietly then we connect to our "True Self" or conscience--we see ourselves in "pure" or "true"  form. In fact, word "Mantra" means state of deep meditation and most of ... View full comment
PA
Dec 24, 2010
My family calls me Pancho and I'd like you to know that I love you all.    We had another incredible Wednesday at the Kindness Temple and the presence of a surprise guest. Hermano Somik, once again, has done a great job summarizing many of the highlights --if not all of them! A poem flowed through me on Thursday, right after I read Hari's interview done by hermao Ricardo. Then, I mixed it with these three points.   1. A Harmonious Life. 2. "Yes" and "Thank You" :-) the Guru is Everywhere.  3. Nonviolent Roses   1. A Harmonious Life. Bertrand Russell has been one of the most influential philosophers of my life. His love for humanity and critical thinking helped me to move one step forward in the path of finding truth during my years in the so called "scientific community". The bold Russell-Einstein Manifesto against the atomic bombs, converted him in one of my "gurus". But perhaps what cap... View full comment
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Bhupen
Dec 24, 2010

I was totally blown away with Haricharan's simplicity, directness and openness. I do thank you all for this wonderful evening with HD. He is a real saint.

SV
Dec 23, 2010
 Somik,  thanks for a your thoughtful and detailed reply. I guess that we have to sometime sit together and discuss the issues in detail. Sometimes, it is not that easy to discuss spiritual issues over the message board. In addition, I am not good at writing long emails. Anyway, let me summarize my thoughts and we could take our discussions further when we next meet in person. I am against organized religion because it is relatively a new concept--may be few thousand years old. There is no mention of word "Hindu" in anyone of the so called Hindu scriptures-Vedas, Gita, Ramayan etc. Gita and Vedas talk about Manav Dharma and do not address a particular sect or community. We limit the scope of a book on spirituality to a section of society once we start using word "Holy" before that.  This does not happen in the world of physical sciences and this has lead to the tremendous progress in the realm of physical sciences. Like Physical science, spiritual s... View full comment
SR
Dec 23, 2010
Sanjeev, you raise some very interesting (and important) questions. Some random reflections.. At the end of the day, we live in action. So, it matters little if I believe in the pink fairy in the sky or am a devout atheist, as long as my decisions don't change. It seems to me that with your worldview, you value much the same things as I do - that is what counts. This is even more fascinating if one reads Russell's passage - it is deeply spiritual in the truest essence. Russell is asking us to think about what makes life meaningful. Feynman was no different, and both were proclaimed atheists. Feynman writes that it does not matter how we arrive at our scientific theories, as long as we do. One could have been soaking in a bathtub when the bulb went on, or one might have been riding on a bus when an aha moment appeared. No one really knows what inspiration led our scientists to come up with their imaginative theories. The realm of science only begins once the theory is in front of us an... View full comment
RI
Dec 23, 2010

Thank you Somik. This is a lovely summary of the evening and what Hari brought.

 

 

SV
Dec 23, 2010
 Somik,   Thanks for capturing the important points from yesterday's talk. I also really enjoyed respected Haricharan Das ji's talk and  was impressed by him. However, I guess that we need to talk a bit more about "mysticism". For instance, it was difficult for me to believe the story regarding the column of light that he saw in his Guru during his birthday celebration. I would like to be proven wrong. I had heard these kind of stories about other Gurus also but I have never had this sort of personal experience. Sometimes, my feeling is that some followers of Gurus treat their Gurus as God and start seeing super natural powers in them. For instance, I recently met San Rajinder Singhji Maharaj ( www.sos.org) and I heard similar stories about him from his followers. I am also following his Path but I do not see God in him like his other followers.   I do believe in the existence of spiritual people, who bring to us the science of spirituality but I only... View full comment
SR
Dec 23, 2010
I am so glad I made it last night, for we were treated by the presence of Haricharan Das. The irony was not lost upon me that the Wednesday focused on Bertrand Russell's reflections was also the Wednesday with the most mention of God. :) Hari shared many stories, which have been beautifully captured by Richard Whittaker far better than I could possibly attempt. Instead of recounting them here, readers can refer to In the Company of Saints. I will instead focus on Hari's philosophy. He started out by saying that feelings of goodness are not enough. There must be action, otherwise the feelings are just entertainment. When one is moved to help others, one must get up and do so. Bravo! He also clarified at the beginning that he uses the word "God" to denote "reality as it is" and encouraged people to replace it by whatever word they preferred. He shared about Gandhi - the man was shot dead, and with his last few breaths, he uttered the name of God. Hari reminded us h... View full comment
SV
Dec 23, 2010
It was interesting to listen to thoughts of guest others and others on wednesday meditation. Someone mentioned that she was new to spirituality. My feeling is that everyone is spiritual. Anyone, who is connected to his/her spirit is a spiritual person..anyone who is truthful, honest or has compassion in spiritual. If you have element of aforementioned virtues then you are a spiritual person. I have not met a single peson, who is a personification of all vices or devil--similalrly I have not seen or met any person, who is a personification of all virtues or God. Couple of weeks back, i quoted a hymn from Yajusveda that says--God is perfect, formless and unborn. I tend to agree with this notion. Humans can not be perfect and hence I do not believe in the notion of Avatar or reincarnation of God in human form. personalities like Ram, Krishna, Gandhi were great souls but they were not perfect--they all made mistakes in their lives. My spirtual training has ... View full comment
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vijay_budheliya
Dec 23, 2010

this is so nice and it is very useful to me

 

 

thanking you Sir,

 

vijay budheliya

 

GA
Dec 21, 2010

I do not like to comment on what others say or do.

 have a lot going on in my mind to be able to be able to pay attention to all that.

I don't understand fully all this fully.

I find clarity in silence.