We Actually Never Experience 'It'
En realidad, nunca experimentamos "eso"- por Culadasa
El "yo" de la mente narradora no es más que una construcción ficticia pero práctica que se utiliza para organizar todas las experiencias conscientes separadas que ocurren en el sistema mental. Nuestro mismo concepto de un@ mism@ no es otro que este "yo" narrativo, el centro de gravedad que mantiene unida la historia. Asimismo, el "eso" es otra construcción imaginaria de la mente narradora, una ficción conveniente que se atribuye a existir para vincular las diferentes partes de la historia. La verdad es que nunca experimentamos ninguna entidad que se corresponda con "eso". Todo lo que se ha experimentado han sido la imagen, el concepto, el sentimiento hedónico y cualquier emoción que haya surgido en la consciencia.
La mente narradora usa esta estructura de "yo-eso" o "un@ mism@-otr@" para organizar la información que proviene de las muchas sub-mentes diferentes de una manera significativa. Pero la mente que discrimina asume que el "yo" y el "eso" son entidades reales, concretizando la construcción del un@ mism@-Otr@ para que parezca real y sustancial. Por lo tanto, el "yo" ficticio de la mente narradora se convierte en el Yo-ego de la mente que discrimina, y el "eso" es visto como la causa de los sentimientos y emociones hedónicos que surgen.
Esa percepción errónea fundamental conduce a la generación de intenciones arraigadas en el deseo y la aversión. En el ejemplo que se acaba de dar, esas intenciones pueden llevar a coger unos binoculares para ver al pájaro con más claridad, o perseguir al pájaro, capturarlo, comprar otro pájaro para mantenerlo en una jaula o incluso matar y rellenar al pájaro para disfrutarlo en el futuro. ! La secuencia anterior de episodios conectados causalmente se amplía: " (yo) Lo vi (eso) y (yo) lo reconocí (eso), (yo) lo disfruté (eso), (yo) lo quería (eso) , (yo) lo perseguí (eso), (yo) lo obtuve (eso) y (yo) lo disfruté de nuevo. Entonces, por supuesto, inevitablemente," (yo) lo perdí (eso), y (yo) me entristecí ".
Inspirándose en la información almacenada sobre experiencias pasadas y narrativas anteriores, la mente que discrimina también procesa aún más la salida de la mente narradora, creando una historia personal para el Yo-ego y una descripción del mundo. En el futuro, las percepciones e interpretaciones basadas en estos complejos constructos desencadenarán el deseo, la aversión y las reacciones emocionales destinadas a proteger y mejorar aún más el bienestar del Yo-ego. La mente narradora luego integra esos pensamientos y emociones orientados hacia un@ mism@ en una historia completamente nueva. Y este proceso cíclico de reforzar el Yo-ego sigue y sigue.
En resumen, la mente narradora simplemente combina eventos conscientes separados de muchas sub-mentes diferentes en una historia, que proyecta hacia la consciencia. Pero nuestra autoconciencia, ese sentido intuitivo y continuo de ser un "yo" separado en relación con un mundo de objetos, proviene de cómo la mente que discrimina interpreta esas historias.
Preguntas semilla para la reflexión: ¿Cómo te relacionas con "yo" y "eso" como constructos útiles de ficción? ¿Puedes compartir una historia personal de un momento en que te diste cuenta de la creación del deseo y la aversión a partir de la percepción errónea de la mente que discrimina? ¿Qué te ayuda a romper el proceso cíclico de reforzar el Yo-ego?
Culadasa ha sido profesor de meditación durante décadas. El extracto de arriba es de su libro 'La mente iluminada'.
Culadasa has been a meditation teacher for decades. The excerpt above is from his book 'The Mind Illuminated'.
SEED QUESTIONS FOR REFLECTION: How do you relate to 'I' and 'it' as fictional useful constructs? Can you share a personal story of a time you became aware of the creation of desire and aversion from the misperception of the discriminating mind? What helps you break the cyclical process of reinforcing the ego-Self?
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8 Past Reflections
On Sep 3, 2021 Gururaj wrote :
One experience of breaking one little construct of the mind was, of late, for me (by the way, that 'me' was convenient for putting in this sentence) in taking cold water baths....It's just a sensation. The belief earlier was that it's a discomfort...
Now I ( another convenient little letter this 'I') am observing a tendency to subtly boast about this discovery...
Thanks for this article which has the potential to weaken the constructed self provided the seeing of the dynamics sharpens
Now I ( another convenient little letter this 'I') am observing a tendency to subtly boast about this discovery...
Thanks for this article which has the potential to weaken the constructed self provided the seeing of the dynamics sharpens
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On Sep 1, 2021 Neha wrote :
Mind and it's parts - thinking mind, discriminating mind, subconscious mind, intuitive mind.
I is used as a language, reference point - me as a body, thoughts, feelings. Understanding real I. I am truth, consciousness, bliss.
I is used as a language, reference point - me as a body, thoughts, feelings. Understanding real I. I am truth, consciousness, bliss.
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On Aug 31, 2021 Patrick wrote :
And thus, our true fullness in humanity is not realized until the ego self dies, or to put it in another sense, until we experience emptiness, nothingness. Mystics of perennial tradition and various religions have known this and tried to express it for others, but each must experience it on their own.
}:- a.m. anonemoose monk
}:- a.m. anonemoose monk
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On Aug 31, 2021 D wrote :
It seems I'm not allowed to add a comment linking to Caladusa's sexual misconduct charge. Look it up. Wisdom is wisdom, but careful who you hold up.
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On Aug 31, 2021 D wrote :
Also, as confusing as this may sound to some, it's quite a clear representation of what Krishnamurtidoesn't say.
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On Aug 31, 2021 Tim Dalmau wrote :
I would comment if I could stop noticing all the deletions, generalizations and uses of universal quantifiers in this description. Unless this explained in better constructed use of the englash langiage then I honestly dont know what I would be responding to, either positively or negatively
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On Aug 27, 2021 David Doane wrote :
I agree with Culadasa. For me, the 'I' and 'it' are fictional useful constructs, that is, they are appearances (mirages) that help us get along in the world of apparent separations (a mirage) that we are conditioned into seeing. We human beings are in the fictional usefulworld of separate constructsthough not of it -- we are of oneness (or Oneness). At some point in middle life I became aware that my desires and aversions are from seeing things and persons as being separate from me, and becoming aware that what appears to be separate 'I' and 'them' are really part of one whole. Becoming aware that the ego-self is one more created separate construct makes the ego-self much less important to me and makes it much easier for me to break the cyclical process of protecting and reinforcing it. (Curiously I initially wrote cynical (instead of cyclical) process of reinforcing the ego-self which seems to fit my feeling about that cyclical process.)
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On Aug 27, 2021 Jagdish P Dave wrote :
In all wisdom traditions that I know of, "Who am I" is the fundamentalquestion raised by spiritual seekers. There are two Selves: Ego-self and the Witnessing -self. The ego-self is a convenient construct to organize all the separate experiences occurring in the mind. I is necessary to relate to the ever-changing world. The challenge thatI face in my dailylife is not to be bound or attached to the world created by the mind. This passage authored by Culadasareminds me of thestory of Two Birds narrated in the ancient bookof wisdom Mandukya Upanishad:"Two birds, inseparable companions, perch on the same tree. One eats the fruit, the other looks on.The first bird is our individual self feeding the pleasures and pains of the deeds. The other is the universal self, silently witnessing all."
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