Ram Dass first went to India in 1967. He was still Dr. Richard Alpert, a prominent Harvard psychologist and psychedelic pioneer with Dr. Timothy Leary. He continued his psychedelic research until that fateful Eastern trip in 1967, when he traveled to India. In India, he met his guru, Neem Karoli Baba, affectionately known as Maharajji, who gave Ram Dass his name, which means “servant of God.” Everything changed then – his intense dharmic life started, and he became a pivotal influence on a culture that has reverberated with the words “Be Here Now” ever since. Ram Dass’ spirit has been a guiding light for three generations, carrying along millions on the journey, helping to free them from their bonds as he works through his own.
SEED QUESTIONS FOR REFLECTION: How do you relate to the notion that 'to have finally dealt with suffering is to consume it into yourself'? Can you share a story of a time when your own suffering led you to find grace? How do you die to who you thought you were?
How can suffering lead to grace...??? The whole of humanity has been suffering for ages without ant exception, and the grace is totally lost... there is just no grace what so ever. If what Ram dass say is true the world would have been full of grace... the fact is world is devoid of any grace so far as humanbeings are concerned.
i am ...finally GRATEFUL ...for what I am going through
suffering has given me that compassion for other human beings that I was maybe lacking! Now I "see" other people suffering and I feel lucky that ALL my suffering is very little "compared" to theirs...In this way I express empathy and HOPE that they feel it
Also if one reads Ram Dass' book, he actually talks about being beaten by a monk with sticks. Ram Dass was a white male of Jewish ethnicity. He sat himself down at the feet of spiritual brown men only to be beaten by them. This gave me pause as someone who has been in a verbally abusive environment both at work and in the home. I've learned a lot from Ram Dass but collectively we can surely do better.
The main lesson of all these gurus is to live truthfully and actively. Depression, anxiety, stress are rooted in a lack of spirituality. Some days I am more spiritual than others. Here's to a day when spirituality and science can be respected hand in hand. #peace
The idea of consuming suffering into oneself is a fresh one. I have never thought of it that way before. Suffering has consumed me for parts of my life. I have always surrendered to it because in my experience, striving against it does not work. The surrender induced state of paralytic catharsis is restorative even it takes it own time. I accept the enforced break from the constant striving of the other times. Stasis leads to a blossoming of creativity. I have liked the idea from an earlier reading here that pain is given but suffering is optional. Pouring suffering into a creativity may be linked to consuming suffering into oneself - maybe.
Grace is Heaven's automatic immune response to wounds of all varieties.
Thankful for this gift!
Heavy. We do the best we are capable of at our stages of evolvement. When we can do better, we do. To be the best me I can be.
Suffering is a byproduct of an adolescence delayed. In other words, pain is a natural part of growth. If we mature naturally, then the suffering is practically nill. We experience the growing pains of being a teen fully. If however, our development was arrested then the lessons of adulthood come later in life. I'm experiencing this now, at age 34. I have gained grace through my suffering, yes. However, I believe our purpose is then to turn around and share our experience with others to lessen their suffering. Premature death is something we can eliminate as a species, but this requires us innovating at our highest level. Put another way, in the garden of eden, was there any suffering? We must return to the Tree of Life.
Now I understand what it means in the Old Testament "don't turn away you eyes from someone who is suffering" !!!
I think there is a difference between pain and suffering. Pain, whether physical, mental or emotional is just that. It only becomes suffering when it is judged as being bad. Great people treat pain for what it is and don't make it right or wrong. They take responsibility for it, knowing that they are not victims and, at some level, they have called it to themselves. Such people (Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jnr, Nelson Mandela, Jesus The Christ) experienced pain without suffering because they simply and knowingly, accepted it. They know that there are no villains in the world but only outcomes of thoughts. They accepted with grace what showed up in their lives and as a result impacted the lives of many millions of people whilst changing the course of human history. When we change our thoughts, we change of lives. It starts with thoughts of being responsible by accepting what shows up because that IS.